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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.13 22:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:aoeu Itonula wrote:Curious about the logic of keeping the Imicus (and then the Helios) to only two highs. Really cripples the ships. With the Helios specifically, it kinda depends on what you're going for right? The only thing that the Helios can't really do is fit cloak + prober + cov cyno. But if that isn't what you're after, it makes a fantastic frigate with a great slot layout... -Liang
The point is if every race is getting a exploration ship then the Gallente are not. Already we tell noobs don't train for the Helios because it can't fit a cloak + probe + other high slot (salvager, cyno, etc...). If we aren't going to be using the Imicus as a exploration ship then it should be removed from the game. A great slot layout with gimped stats doesn't make it a great frigate.
Please drop the drone bay down to 15m3 and move the mid slot to a high slot. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 01:16:00 -
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Since the science vessel has been brought up multiple times and these frigates are basically the same ship, have you thought about scrapping them and having a dedicated exploration frigate? You are already doing this with the mining frigate so you have already set a precedence for it. It would make the rebalancing easier as all you have to do is design one ship.
I know what you are already going to say, "blah blah blah art department blah blah blah overworked blah blah blah". Sounds like a lame excuse to me for giving is a new ship! |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:30:00 -
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I think you are underestimating the importance of that third high slot. Ask yourself what advantage does not having it give and why wouldnt a new player just train for one of the other races? |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 16:06:00 -
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Junko Sideswipe wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
Yep, I'm starting to see a really ugly trend here. First, among the Electronic Warfare frigates, Gallente are the only race that don't get a "real one" with two EWAR bonuses, we only get one. And now this.
Good thing the game makes it so you're not tied into flying one race.
Why produce a useless ship that forces new players to train something else so early in their careers? |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:38:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:I think you are underestimating the importance of that third high slot. Ask yourself what advantage does not having it give and why wouldnt a new player just train for one of the other races? You're focusing so heavily on what that one high slot disallows (a cloak) that you aren't seeing that the Imicus is literally better than the other ships for most purposes. -Liang
Better how? One drone makes it a slightly better combat ship but that is it. For a dedicated exploration ship it will be subpar compared to the rest. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
130
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:21:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Roime wrote:No ship in this game should be meant for hisec only, what kind of idea that even is?
The cloak certainly is the module that is fitted on all probing ships used outside the starter systems. This means that the Imicus must do without a salvager, a module which would benefit new players in their ISK-gathering ventures.
It doesn't need four mid slots, it needs a third high. Just like the Helios. The other ships are not down a slot, they all have the same amount. Just better slot layouts, allowing them to fit all modules needed for running profession sites.
Again, I'd argue that the cloak is not required in low sec and is most certainly not required in high sec. All you're doing is arguing in favor of homogeneity and nerfing the Imicus. -Liang
Nerfing the Imicus for PVP. The kicker here is that this ship isn't designed for PVP.
What I am up in arms about (I'm not really ;-) is that if this trend is set then the Helios will be gimped because of similar reasoning. The first thing you do after you train for a Helios is training for another races Cover Ops because you realize how much it sucks.
If they actually come through with light salvager drones then I would be fine with the loss of a high slot. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:26:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:
Nerfing the Imicus for PVP. The kicker here is that this ship isn't designed for PVP.
What I am up in arms about (I'm not really ;-) is that if this trend is set then the Helios will be gimped because of similar reasoning. The first thing you do after you train for a Helios is training for another races Cover Ops because you realize how much it sucks.
If they actually come through with light salvager drones then I would be fine with the loss of a high slot.
The Helios is the best covops and the only reason I ever trained another was because it looks so ******* ugly since they nerfed it's face. -Liang Ed: I should say that I've got perhaps 100 kills in a Helios. It's hard to know because I didn't post mails back then. :P
How about we get ships that are good for their role rather than PVP? You seen to be skewed toward the PvP side of things rather than providing feedback for a exploration/scout vessel. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:53:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:
How about we get ships that are good for their role rather than PVP? You seen to be skewed toward the PvP side of things rather than providing feedback for a exploration/scout vessel.
I've already illustrated that cloaks are not mandatory in low sec, and that the Imicus is in fact a superior vessel to the other ships. Back under your bridge, troll. -Liang
Aren't you the one that started talking about PvPing in a Helious ?-) |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:19:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:
How about we get ships that are good for their role rather than PVP? You seen to be skewed toward the PvP side of things rather than providing feedback for a exploration/scout vessel.
I've already illustrated that cloaks are not mandatory in low sec, and that the Imicus is in fact a superior vessel to the other ships. Back under your bridge, troll. -Liang Aren't you the one that started talking about PvPing in a Helious ?-) Again: It is not mandatory to fit a cloak to this ship. It does not need three high slots. You're trolling because you're bored at work. -Liang
I think you confused yourself. I agreed with you with the Imicus but then we started talking about the Helios (take that spell correcter!). I conceded on the Imicus not the Helios. A covert ops ship needs a cloak + probe + utility high. Otherwise it will be subpar as scout/explorer. You seem to want the ship (again Helios not the Imicus) to be better at PVP rather than as a scout/explorer.
I'm on vacation again. Don't worry as I go back tomorrow. You can have free reign of the forums back then ;-) |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:27:00 -
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Thanks CCP Fozzie! |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:10:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:5nipe wrote:I think putting Imicus with 20 bandwidth vs 15 for all other frigs may put this frig in dominating position, like Tengu comparing to other T3. Especially if whole concept of this new frigs designed for new people using distance tanking/drone dps techniques.
To keep things a bit balanced I'll love to see Magnate with 20 bandwidth and less drones bay capacity.
Yes, I understand it is for new people in game, who want to try different things and exploration is a sort of content to keep people in game, especially in the beginning of the game mechanics learning curve.
Therefore, if we look a bit ahead, developing exploration as mini-profession (it is not anymore, btw) can just go along the path like Imicus-Vexor-Helios-Ishtar or
Magnate-Arbitrator-Anathema-Pilgrim
Since both of them based on drones, I guess Magnate deserve 40 Band.
From my personal experience, quiet a number of people will switch to Gila at very early stage, once the get to cruiser hull, especially with some drone skills trained already, and with further development toward Tengu. I dunno, I'd say that 2 turrets/2 launchers + 3 drones > 1 turret + 4 drones. -Liang
Especially when that 1 turret is blasters or railguns.
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